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Sunday, July 11, 2010
Keeper Contract Question
I may have misunderstood the system, but if I keep Carlos Santana ($1 in the draft) for 3 years, does he cost $1, $6, $11, or does he cost $11 all 3 years?
If you put him under "contract," you can choose to do so for 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years. If you keep him for $1 year there is no "fee," and he is $1 next year. If you keep him for 2 years he is $6 next year and the year after. If you keep him for three years he is $11 next year and the next two years, then he has to become a free agent.
Yeah, my understanding is the same as Caleb's- he's 41 for a one year deal, $6/year for a two, and $11/year for a 3. I had suggested the increasing contract cost, but people didn't like it.
It is rule #3 under Bill's Proposed Keeper System. We ultimately decided to go with 0/5/10 for inflation for each contract, but I thought it was always the case that inflation would occur immediately.
The keeper costs are aggressive, but I think it will make for better auction draft each season.
OK, that's the way I understood it too. I like that it is really hard to have someone who is an awesome keeper for 3 years without assuming an awful lot of risk.
I guess it all depends how you define reliable. If you're looking at guys who have looked like rock solid keepers in the past, the list is littered with the likes of Aaron Hill, Adam Lind, Alexei Ramirez, and even Ian Kinsler, to a certain extent this year.
Bill, I would argue that only one of the guys on that list - Kinsler - SHOULD have ever been considered a rock solid keeper. The other three all had only great year under their belts before they were kept, and in at least Hill and Ramirez's cases, there was at least some reason to believe that their one great year was at least a little flukey. Not to say that I wouldn't have kept any of them (hell, I kept Lind), just that they're not really the group I had in mind when considering three year contracts.
I think the point though is that for a keeper to be <$10 and worth keeping for 3 years, he is probably only going to have 1 good season under his belt. The risk for a FA pickup at $20/ 3 seasons is probably too much, but the risk of a $1 prospect you picked up in the draft might be.
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my understanding:
If you put him under "contract," you can choose to do so for 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years. If you keep him for $1 year there is no "fee," and he is $1 next year. If you keep him for 2 years he is $6 next year and the year after. If you keep him for three years he is $11 next year and the next two years, then he has to become a free agent.
Hm. Strange. That was definitely not the way I understood it. Commish?
Caleb is correct. Read the rules discussion on that google doc under the keeper section.
Yeah, my understanding is the same as Caleb's- he's 41 for a one year deal, $6/year for a two, and $11/year for a 3. I had suggested the increasing contract cost, but people didn't like it.
It is rule #3 under Bill's Proposed Keeper System. We ultimately decided to go with 0/5/10 for inflation for each contract, but I thought it was always the case that inflation would occur immediately.
The keeper costs are aggressive, but I think it will make for better auction draft each season.
OK, that's the way I understood it too. I like that it is really hard to have someone who is an awesome keeper for 3 years without assuming an awful lot of risk.
Got it. I seem to be the only one who misunderstood that. Certainly really discourages multi-year deals since you pay for it long term AND short term.
Then again, if you have a good, reliable, <$10 keeper, a long term contract makes them <$20, which is not at all an unreasonable price.
I guess it all depends how you define reliable. If you're looking at guys who have looked like rock solid keepers in the past, the list is littered with the likes of Aaron Hill, Adam Lind, Alexei Ramirez, and even Ian Kinsler, to a certain extent this year.
Bill, I would argue that only one of the guys on that list - Kinsler - SHOULD have ever been considered a rock solid keeper. The other three all had only great year under their belts before they were kept, and in at least Hill and Ramirez's cases, there was at least some reason to believe that their one great year was at least a little flukey. Not to say that I wouldn't have kept any of them (hell, I kept Lind), just that they're not really the group I had in mind when considering three year contracts.
I think the point though is that for a keeper to be <$10 and worth keeping for 3 years, he is probably only going to have 1 good season under his belt. The risk for a FA pickup at $20/ 3 seasons is probably too much, but the risk of a $1 prospect you picked up in the draft might be.
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